Hi,

I am considering the 462 Sedan and wonder if anybody has made ocean crossings in it? I am visiting Seahorse next week.

Thanks

David

IMHO the standard Duck, less flybridge, would be the most sea worthy version of them all.

David,

Marcia Hanson here, my husband Kurt and I own the 2nd 462 sedan to be completed, Alpenglow. None of these 462 sedans have crossed an ocean, other than on a freighter.

We purchased our boat with the ability to cross an ocean as one of the reasons we got her. The other was the rugged construction we thought well suited for our primary cruising goal of SE Alaska. There are quite a few Nordhavns with similar layout, that is the saloon and pilothouse and cockpit and swim platform and often a flybridge that have made ocean crossings, their website has links to some of this.

With storm windows attached, good weather forecasting (which is very accurate, and fairly easy to get these days, depending on location)and thoughtful preparation and consideration to seasons, we envision crossing the Atlantic or perhaps the South Pacific in the future.

Hope you had a good trip to Seahorse. Best regards,and let us know if you have any questions.

Marcia (and Kurt)
mv Alpenglow
currently in Ketchikan

Hi

In 2004 Nordhavn made a atlantic crossing the smallest of the ships was a 40 foot trawler name Uno Mas .

Like Marcia said . Preparation and knowledge is the key .

Here is a link to the voyage

http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm


Good luck

Jacques Doucet

Kurt an Marcia,

Thanks so much for your feedback. I did go to Bill and Stella's facility and really enjoyed the opportunity. I really do like the Sedan but am not getting much encouragement from George on it's seaworthiness, though in fairness he is comparing it with the traditional Duck.

I am looking very seriously at this and would be grateful if you could offer me any advice of things that you would have done differently or conversely things that you are really glad you did. I did intend to get storm windows and wondered if you got them for the pilothouse as well? I was also thinking of the wide body - do you see this as a huge inconvenience. I would be interested to hear your thoughts on stabilizers and other potential options. The other thing I note is the combo washer and dryer, we had one of these once before it my wife found it a little bit slow when she wanted to get her laundry out of the way - any thoughts?

Thanks

David

quote:

Originally posted by Marcia & Kurt:
David,

Marcia Hanson here, my husband Kurt and I own the 2nd 462 sedan to be completed, Alpenglow. None of these 462 sedans have crossed an ocean, other than on a freighter.

We purchased our boat with the ability to cross an ocean as one of the reasons we got her. The other was the rugged construction we thought well suited for our primary cruising goal of SE Alaska. There are quite a few Nordhavns with similar layout, that is the saloon and pilothouse and cockpit and swim platform and often a flybridge that have made ocean crossings, their website has links to some of this.

With storm windows attached, good weather forecasting (which is very accurate, and fairly easy to get these days, depending on location)and thoughtful preparation and consideration to seasons, we envision crossing the Atlantic or perhaps the South Pacific in the future.

Hope you had a good trip to Seahorse. Best regards,and let us know if you have any questions.

Marcia (and Kurt)
mv Alpenglow
currently in Ketchikan

Thanks Jacques, I will spend some time here and try to better understand the challenges.

David

Originally posted by Red_Trosky:
Hi

In 2004 Nordhavn made a atlantic crossing the smallest of the ships was a 40 foot trawler name Uno Mas .

Like Marcia said . Preparation and knowledge is the key .

Here is a link to the voyage

http://www.nordhavn.com/rally/voyage/welcome.htm


Good luck

Jacques Doucet[/QUOTE]

QUOTE The other thing I note is the combo washer and dryer, we had one of these once before it my wife found it a little bit slow when she wanted to get her laundry out of the way - any thoughts?

Thanks

David QUOTE

The old condenser drying models were very slow. The newer vented dryers are much faster and use a lot less water. However, they do require another hole in the boat for the vent.

Thanks Bill

That is helpful as always.

David

Originally posted by Bill Kimley:
QUOTE The other thing I note is the combo washer and dryer, we had one of these once before it my wife found it a little bit slow when she wanted to get her laundry out of the way - any thoughts?

Thanks

David QUOTE

The old condenser drying models were very slow. The newer vented dryers are much faster and use a lot less water. However, they do require another hole in the boat for the vent.[/QUOTE]

I would think that a Sedan without the side deck is close to being as seaworthy as the 462, reason being that water cannot accumulate on the side deck.
Just make sure that there are enough openings in the aft cockpit to ensure that the water can escape if you are taking green/blue water there.

I'm sure you all know George and I do not recommend sedans for serious ocean crossing passages.

Many folks prefer the sedan's large saloon and big windows. More like a house, great for family cruising and entertainment. Perfect for coastal and sheltered water passages "in season". George's 462 Sedan design, incorporating the features discussed at the end of this post, is an attempt to make the concept as seaworthy as possible.

However, all sedans have cockpits, and many have one or two side decks, that can trap water. Way over one half of the sedans making blue water passages never have serious water on deck or have cockpits and side decks completely swamped.

However "ship happens"

A wind blowing from one direction creating large swells suddenly and unpredictable reverses direction.



Add a couple of currents that unpredictable decide to converge right where you are.



And you are suddenly in a washing machine from hell.



Just one side deck on our 462 Sedan can hold 2.3 tons of water. About the same weight as a very large automobile. Imagine a large car parked on your cap rail ! Your windows are directly exposed to the sea. Does this water escape before the next wave comes? (Seahorse-52 fiberglass sedans pictured below.)



Anders is absolutely right. If you want to go to sea in a sedan the wide body design without side decks is more seaworthy. And you might forget that flybridge, add steel construction, multiple water tight bulkheads with seadoors, extra large suppers with magnetically latched doors, like those we added to John and Kathleen's "Laysan", and a very good daily weather forecasting service.